Comments on: Garry Winogrand with Bill Moyers, 1982 http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/ A wide-open view of the practice of street photography by Michael David Murphy, While Seated. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:02:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: albert levy http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-121742 albert levy Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:52:49 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-121742 It is not much different than taking a movie camera and shooting an hour's worth of film and then cherry picking out which shots are best.Either he is nuts or lying when he says he has no set idea of what he is doing.Everyone has opreset ideas of what they are thinking and what they are wanting to do--unless they are so hyper or anxious that they can not take their time to take great shots. I think he's a fine photographer but a real bullshit artist.He doesn't know what he means and the viewer has no idea what he is talking about. Art expresses something about the artist and not about "real life"I assume Winogrand's inner life is just as jumbled and random as his way of taking pictures.Or talking. But we DO know that one of his "preconceptions" is taking pictures of attractive women.THAT is not random. The best and iconic pictures stick with us because they convey a thousand words!!Few of us remember or will remember Winogrand's work but all of us will remember Walker Evans and Dorothea Lange's work/.No? It is not much different than taking a movie camera and shooting an hour’s worth of film and then cherry picking out which shots are best.Either he is nuts or lying when he says he has no set idea of what he is doing.Everyone has opreset ideas of what they are thinking and what they are wanting to do–unless they are so hyper or anxious that they can not take their time to take great shots.

I think he’s a fine photographer but a real bullshit artist.He doesn’t know what he means and the viewer has no idea what he is talking about.

Art expresses something about the artist and not about “real life”I assume Winogrand’s inner life is just as jumbled and random as his way of taking pictures.Or talking.

But we DO know that one of his “preconceptions” is taking pictures of attractive women.THAT is not random.

The best and iconic pictures stick with us because they convey a thousand words!!Few of us remember or will remember Winogrand’s work but all of us will remember Walker Evans and Dorothea Lange’s work/.No?

]]> By: Graphicghreg http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-120236 Graphicghreg Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:09:42 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-120236 In 1973 I was fortunate enough to take a week-long workshop with Garry Winogrand. It was at the Country Photography Workshop in Woodman, Wisconsin. We spent mornings photographing in small rural towns of the area. I remember the group discussing the day's photos after dinner. He would ask one of the students, "what do you see in this photo?" Of course the person would create a "story" as a reply...you know, "well um, it looks like the little girl is sad because her mother won't let her go into the store, and, you know, she is trying to break away from her mom, and he shoe came of while trying and...". Winogrand would come back and say, "No, what do you SEE in the photograph?" I don't think that any of us got it at that time. Although I never was a storyteller, it has taken me 35 years to accept that photographs do not narrate, they describe. Most of the world however, still cling to that old adage, "a picture is worth a thousand words". Not! In 1973 I was fortunate enough to take a week-long workshop with Garry Winogrand. It was at the Country Photography Workshop in Woodman, Wisconsin. We spent mornings photographing in small rural towns of the area. I remember the group discussing the day’s photos after dinner. He would ask one of the students,
“what do you see in this photo?” Of course the person would create a “story” as a reply…you know, “well um, it looks like the little girl is sad because her mother won’t let her go into the store, and, you know, she is trying to break away from her mom, and he shoe came of while trying and…”. Winogrand would come back and say, “No, what do you SEE in the photograph?” I don’t think that any of us got it at that time. Although I never was a storyteller, it has taken me 35 years to accept that photographs do not narrate, they describe. Most of the world however, still cling to that old adage, “a picture is worth a thousand words”. Not!

]]> By: Elliot http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-107232 Elliot Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:57:35 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-107232 Another talk (truncated, sometimes garbled from the early 70s now on iTunes courtesy of UC_Riverside: http://tinyurl.com/winogranducr Another talk (truncated, sometimes garbled from the early 70s now on iTunes courtesy of UC_Riverside:

http://tinyurl.com/winogranducr

]]> By: This is Contemporary Modern Fine Art Photography http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-95744 This is Contemporary Modern Fine Art Photography Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:45:17 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-95744 To take it one step further philosophically.. the fact that something exists means also that a story and more, a meaning exists. To make stories which do not have stories, to make meanings without meaning is the art of meaning to have no meaning or creating the storyless story ;]. Which is then its own new genre of.. storytelling/meaning. To bail out Winogrand though, as most great artists - what we do is beyond us. Our proper rationale is in the work of art rather in our best after the fact efforts. To take it one step further philosophically.. the fact that something exists means also that a story and more, a meaning exists. To make stories which do not have stories, to make meanings without meaning is the art of meaning to have no meaning or creating the storyless story ;]. Which is then its own new genre of.. storytelling/meaning.

To bail out Winogrand though, as most great artists - what we do is beyond us. Our proper rationale is in the work of art rather in our best after the fact efforts.

]]> By: Jesse Ross http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-95741 Jesse Ross Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:20:12 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-95741 Winogrand is wrong and overly intellectual about photographs not being able to narrate. What is the lie, which he himself doesn't realize, is when the artist/photographer tries to tell us what the art work does or doesn't mean. The work itself is the statement - perfectly complete and true. See my site at www.blzbuba.com And thanks for the provocative thought. Winogrand is wrong and overly intellectual about photographs not being able to narrate. What is the lie, which he himself doesn’t realize, is when the artist/photographer tries to tell us what the art work does or doesn’t mean. The work itself is the statement - perfectly complete and true.

See my site at http://www.blzbuba.com

And thanks for the provocative thought.

]]> By: GARRY WINOGRAND | HAMBURGER EYES http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-54136 GARRY WINOGRAND | HAMBURGER EYES Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:11:01 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-54136 [...] CLICK HERE TO WATCH [...] [...] CLICK HERE TO WATCH [...]

]]> By: bob http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-49893 bob Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:26:15 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-49893 MDM - thanks for this great post. I'm doing a little Winogrand research and this comes in handy - especially the new clip! MDM - thanks for this great post. I’m doing a little Winogrand research and this comes in handy - especially the new clip!

]]> By: Michael David Murphy http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-49078 Michael David Murphy Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:15:25 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-49078 Just updated this post. Someone had the wherewithall to upload the original to youtube, so I'm embedding that version now. Just updated this post. Someone had the wherewithall to upload the original to youtube, so I’m embedding that version now.

]]> By: Sandra Madison http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-47236 Sandra Madison Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:41:02 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-47236 When I take pictures, I see something about that picture, however, my husband thinks I take pictures of nothing. I enjoyed your words and I feel I am not alone. When I take pictures, I see something about that picture, however, my husband thinks I take pictures of nothing. I enjoyed your words and I feel I am not alone.

]]> By: José Morais http://2point8.whileseated.org/2007/03/23/garry-winogrand-with-bill-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-34891 José Morais Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:02:33 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=152#comment-34891 Garry Winogrand, one of the most inspiring photographers I have ever «met»! I wish I could have met him in person... Brad Webber, my friend from LA, brought that name - Garry Winogrand - into my way! I am thankful that this happened. José Garry Winogrand, one of the most inspiring photographers I have ever «met»! I wish I could have met him in person…
Brad Webber, my friend from LA, brought that name - Garry Winogrand - into my way! I am thankful that this happened.
José

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