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Comments on: Drive, Will, and Wait http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/02/23/drive-will-and-wait/ A wide-open view of the practice of street photography by Michael David Murphy, While Seated. Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:47:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: amanda goode http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/02/23/drive-will-and-wait/comment-page-1/#comment-77 amanda goode Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:27:54 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=44#comment-77 When I produce work I,sadly, secretly, want it to be admired. However, regardless as to how it was received if I don't understand or feel it (for want of a better phrase ) I swirl around until I inch closer to a way out/forward. The more I make the more technically proficient I become but then chance and a certain naive quality teeters on the brink of oblivion so this too has to be given a sideways glance and acknowledged. In the end , if there was one, we are only trying to understand ourselves. When I produce work I,sadly, secretly, want it to be admired. However, regardless as to how it was received
if I don’t understand or feel it (for want of a better phrase ) I swirl around until I inch closer to a way out/forward.
The more I make the more technically proficient I become but then chance and a certain naive quality teeters on the brink of oblivion so this too has to be given a sideways glance and acknowledged.
In the end , if there was one, we are only trying to understand ourselves.

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By: Chuck http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/02/23/drive-will-and-wait/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Chuck Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:05:23 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=44#comment-76 Understanding when I'm getting flabby is definitely my problem. It may be too obvious an observation, but I think the the effortlessness can't come without the will and the drive. Most of photography -- at least that which purports to be some kind of personal statement (art?) is like five-finger exercise. You're not just learning, but you're also training your perception and digging out those neural pathways that will let you get from seeing something to getting your finger on the button. Part of that is a feel for what works in a frame and part of that is cerebellum-level reaction. I do think one's personal best tends to look effortless and even feel that way, but only because you have earned it by all of the pretty-good pictures you worked really hard to get. CB making that statement is a little annoying. It's a kind of myth-making that sounds great because it's so appealing -- even lazy people can be great! But even CB took plenty of pretty so-so pictures and published them too. Over time, his best add up to something amazing. And that of course is the "wait". It just plain takes a lot of time to accumulate good images because luck always plays a part. You can calibrate it with the amount of time you work at it, so if you spend more time photographing (or as you point out, not necessarily actually shooting , but just looking and trying to decide if what you see is interesting photographically) you'll accumulate faster, but time and chance are always in the equation. Contrary to what CB seems to suggest, I have this sinking feeling that it's those who have the will and drive that produce the lasting work. There are just too many people out there dripping with talent to make that the deciding factor. It may be that when you sort through all the driven, wilfull workers, talent does become the deciding factor, but the drive and will came first. A musician once told me that "hard work and discipline beat talent 7 days a week"; without the drive and the will, talent doesn't matter. He was probably right.. Understanding when I’m getting flabby is definitely my problem. It may be too obvious an observation, but I think the the effortlessness can’t come without the will and the drive. Most of photography — at least that which purports to be some kind of personal statement (art?) is like five-finger exercise. You’re not just learning, but you’re also training your perception and digging out those neural pathways that will let you get from seeing something to getting your finger on the button. Part of that is a feel for what works in a frame and part of that is cerebellum-level reaction. I do think one’s personal best tends to look effortless and even feel that way, but only because you have earned it by all of the pretty-good pictures you worked really hard to get. CB making that statement is a little annoying. It’s a kind of myth-making that sounds great because it’s so appealing — even lazy people can be great! But even CB took plenty of pretty so-so pictures and published them too. Over time, his best add up to something amazing. And that of course is the “wait”. It just plain takes a lot of time to accumulate good images because luck always plays a part. You can calibrate it with the amount of time you work at it, so if you spend more time photographing (or as you point out, not necessarily actually shooting , but just looking and trying to decide if what you see is interesting photographically) you’ll accumulate faster, but time and chance are always in the equation. Contrary to what CB seems to suggest, I have this sinking feeling that it’s those who have the will and drive that produce the lasting work. There are just too many people out there dripping with talent to make that the deciding factor. It may be that when you sort through all the driven, wilfull workers, talent does become the deciding factor, but the drive and will came first. A musician once told me that “hard work and discipline beat talent 7 days a week”; without the drive and the will, talent doesn’t matter. He was probably right..

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By: mark http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/02/23/drive-will-and-wait/comment-page-1/#comment-75 mark Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:46:13 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=44#comment-75 Yes, good point about blogging and the mistake of measuring your worth through page views. I think you stumbled upon another subject about what is blogging doing for photography. Do we photograph to blog or blog to photograph? Welcome back to Tokyo. Yes, good point about blogging and the mistake of measuring your worth through page views. I think you stumbled upon another subject about what is blogging doing for photography. Do we photograph to blog or blog to photograph? Welcome back to Tokyo.

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