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Comments on: Ways of Working #6 (Masking) http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/ A wide-open view of the practice of street photography by Michael David Murphy, While Seated. Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:12:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: James Yu http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-103369 James Yu Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:59:42 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-103369 Just wanted to let you know that the right angle lens is cheap now, and photojojo sells one of them: http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/candid-photography-spy-lens/ It works beautifully with my canon 50mm 1.8. Some of my sample shots here: http://jamesyu.org/2009/01/03/a-return-to-street-photography/ Just wanted to let you know that the right angle lens is cheap now, and photojojo sells one of them: http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/candid-photography-spy-lens/

It works beautifully with my canon 50mm 1.8. Some of my sample shots here:

http://jamesyu.org/2009/01/03/a-return-to-street-photography/

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By: VEE http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-93353 VEE Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:04:17 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-93353 The reason why I don't recomend using a telephotolens for street photography is, first of all a tele lens tends to flaten the image whereas a 50 or lower lens tends to be more intimate and for me has more life to it. Just look at some of Mr. Hartels photos -- they have life, pizzaz, they give a sense of movement, yet they are still photos, images recording a moment in time. Some of his photos are breathtaking. This is not meant to disparage anyones photos or even tele lenses, they are certainly great for those hard to get to places. The general feeling I get from viewing Mr SinRastros images is that of someone sitting in a car working for the FBI and spying on someone. Someone mentioned above that those tele shots did not relate sufficiently the subject to her surroundings. I agree, unfortunately when it comes to women men attempt to take them out of relation to their surroundings in and out of photography. But that's a whole other field. The reason why I don’t recomend using a telephotolens for street photography is, first of all a tele lens tends to flaten the image whereas a 50 or lower lens tends to be more intimate and for me has more life to it. Just look at some of Mr. Hartels photos — they have life, pizzaz, they give a sense of movement, yet they are still photos, images recording a moment in time. Some of his photos are breathtaking. This is not meant to disparage anyones photos or even tele lenses, they are certainly great for those hard to get to places. The general feeling I get from viewing Mr SinRastros images is that of someone sitting in a car working for the FBI and spying on someone. Someone mentioned above that those tele shots did not relate sufficiently the subject to her surroundings. I agree, unfortunately when it comes to women men attempt to take them out of relation to their surroundings in and out of photography. But that’s a whole other field.

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By: Mike http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-50374 Mike Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:52:44 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-50374 You guys are funny, "talking shop." What a bunch of bench racers you are. No one asks what kinds of brushes or paint Picasso used. Lens choice is really no one's business except the photographer in question and if you prefer a telephoto on the street, so be it. The quality and integrity of a piece of art is not measured by the difficulty in which the artist underwent while creating it. This idea of "lazy photography" is gay and for gearhead dorks. You guys are funny, “talking shop.” What a bunch of bench racers you are. No one asks what kinds of brushes or paint Picasso used. Lens choice is really no one’s business except the photographer in question and if you prefer a telephoto on the street, so be it. The quality and integrity of a piece of art is not measured by the difficulty in which the artist underwent while creating it. This idea of “lazy photography” is gay and for gearhead dorks.

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By: mark http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-34989 mark Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:29:29 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-34989 michael, if you don't mind I would like to translate ways of working into spanish for el faro... michael, if you don’t mind I would like to translate ways of working into spanish for el faro…

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By: myla kent http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-30310 myla kent Sun, 01 Jul 2007 06:41:48 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-30310 Interesting thread. When I started, <a href="http://mylakent.com/blog/2005/09/06/rule-1/9" rel="nofollow">I used another subject</a> and incorporated street photography into the shots -- I went down to Pike Place Market (read: tourist trap) -- where folks expect to see cameras, and found my courage there. I like to relax against a wall or a lightpost and let folks walk into the frame I've scoped out -- but most of all love to look for the moment in a more random way because somehow to me, lately, that added motion just feels more real to me. Interesting thread. When I started, I used another subject and incorporated street photography into the shots — I went down to Pike Place Market (read: tourist trap) — where folks expect to see cameras, and found my courage there. I like to relax against a wall or a lightpost and let folks walk into the frame I’ve scoped out — but most of all love to look for the moment in a more random way because somehow to me, lately, that added motion just feels more real to me.

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By: Feli di Giorgio http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-29904 Feli di Giorgio Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:56:19 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-29904 I think this is a great series of articles, but i would like to make one suggestion regarding this section: "Walker Evans famously rigged a camera inside of his coat, threaded a cable release down his sleeve and took portraits on the New York City subway. Magnum photographer Luc Delahaye followed-up on Evans in the 90s with a series on the Metro in Paris. Martin Parr’s done a series of sleeping commuters in Tokyo, shot from above." Now, unfortunately we are living in a world that has gone slightly insane. These days I would avoid giving anyone the idea to strap a camera to their chest and try to conceal it under their clothing for the purpose of shooting in a public space. Especially with a cable release running down their sleeve as a trigger. You can probably already see where I am heading with this. If some tried this in 2007 on a subway or in a public space, there is a very good chance that someone will notice the bulge on the chest, the cable release coming down the sleeve and resting in that persons hand and the suspicious behavior that is reminiscent of someone looking for something, lingering or simply acting a little odd. It is not far fetched to imagine someone putting all of these things together and panicking, because they mistake this individual for a suicide bomber. On a cramped subway or bus this could be a very bad thing, as people panic and attempt to escape. This person could be attacked and even killed by fellow passengers. It's happened on several airline flights since 9/11. If tagged as a bomber this person is almost guaranteed to be terminated by security personnel. On the day of the bus bombings in London, a gentleman was shot in a tube station, because apparently security thought that his backpack or he looked suspicious. Officers are instructed to terminate bombers, with multiple shots to the head to produce instant death, in order to prevent them from detonating explosives. There is little or no negotiating, because apparently unofficially the decision has been made that it is better to have one mistaken death, than perhaps dozens of dead and wounded if the suspicion turns out to be true and the individual is not neutralized in time. Unfortunately the incident in London was a case of mistaken identity, but that is of little consolation to that individual, because he is dead. Now, all of the above may sound paranoid and I would agree with you, if this was prior to 9/11. I travel a lot and have noticed that both passengers and security personnel are more alert and on edge than in the past. Given the circumstances, I wouldn't recommend anyone testing if my theory is wrong. Feli di Giorgio www.elanphotos.com I think this is a great series of articles, but i would like to make one suggestion regarding this section:

“Walker Evans famously rigged a camera inside of his coat, threaded a cable release down his sleeve and took portraits on the New York City subway. Magnum photographer Luc Delahaye followed-up on Evans in the 90s with a series on the Metro in Paris. Martin Parr’s done a series of sleeping commuters in Tokyo, shot from above.”

Now, unfortunately we are living in a world that has gone slightly insane.

These days I would avoid giving anyone the idea to strap a camera to their chest and try to conceal it under their clothing for the purpose of shooting in a public space. Especially with a cable release running down their sleeve as a trigger.

You can probably already see where I am heading with this.

If some tried this in 2007 on a subway or in a public space, there is a very good chance that someone will notice the bulge on the chest, the cable release coming down the sleeve and resting in that persons hand and the suspicious behavior that is reminiscent of someone looking for something, lingering or simply acting a little odd.

It is not far fetched to imagine someone putting all of these things together and panicking, because they mistake this individual for a suicide bomber.

On a cramped subway or bus this could be a very bad thing, as people panic and attempt to escape.

This person could be attacked and even killed by fellow passengers. It’s happened on several airline flights since 9/11.

If tagged as a bomber this person is almost guaranteed to be terminated by security personnel.

On the day of the bus bombings in London, a gentleman was shot in a tube station, because apparently security thought that his backpack or he looked suspicious.

Officers are instructed to terminate bombers, with multiple shots to the head to produce instant death, in order to prevent them from detonating explosives.

There is little or no negotiating, because apparently unofficially the decision has been made that it is better to have one mistaken death, than perhaps dozens of dead and wounded if the suspicion turns out to be true and the individual is not neutralized in time.

Unfortunately the incident in London was a case of mistaken identity, but that is of little consolation to that individual, because he is dead.

Now, all of the above may sound paranoid and I would agree with you, if this was prior to 9/11.

I travel a lot and have noticed that both passengers and security personnel are more alert and on edge than in the past. Given the circumstances, I wouldn’t recommend anyone testing if my theory is wrong.

Feli di Giorgio
http://www.elanphotos.com

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By: jon http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-1854 jon Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:40:00 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-1854 SinRastro -- unfortunately i don't see many "moments". it appears to be young women shot unawares only. they happen to be on the street. okay we're probably beaten this horse in only 5 posts (and it was a year ago, but i think it's still worth discussing in this forum), but i think the SinRastro site is a good example of what "street photography" is not. I'd classify this more as "voyeur photography". i think there's a bit of voyeurism involved in street photography in general, but pretty girls or not, it tends to be quite a bit more situational. your photos are "generic", i.e. they're pictures of females looking up or down or at something. the only one i saw that came close to a moment was the one of someone taking a picture...of what we won't know, or what was "special" about the moment... street photography tends to convey a situation, and has a bit more "story" behind it. a street portrait can even have a story behind it..even the kinds of shots you have could possibly have a story behind it, but there's a detachment that just Feels Creepy. SinRastro — unfortunately i don’t see many “moments”. it appears to be young women shot unawares only. they happen to be on the street.

okay we’re probably beaten this horse in only 5 posts (and it was a year ago, but i think it’s still worth discussing in this forum), but i think the SinRastro site is a good example of what “street photography” is not. I’d classify this more as “voyeur photography”.

i think there’s a bit of voyeurism involved in street photography in general, but pretty girls or not, it tends to be quite a bit more situational.

your photos are “generic”, i.e. they’re pictures of females looking up or down or at something. the only one i saw that came close to a moment was the one of someone taking a picture…of what we won’t know, or what was “special” about the moment…

street photography tends to convey a situation, and has a bit more “story” behind it. a street portrait can even have a story behind it..even the kinds of shots you have could possibly have a story behind it, but there’s a detachment that just Feels Creepy.

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By: Daniel http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-54 Daniel Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:08:58 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-54 SinRastro your photography in my opinion is not street photography because all you've done here is shown a bunch of women cropped as close as possible. Street photography is as much about the environment as it is the subjects. SinRastro your photography in my opinion is not street photography because all you’ve done here is shown a bunch of women cropped as close as possible. Street photography is as much about the environment as it is the subjects.

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By: SinRastro http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-16 SinRastro Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:34:31 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-16 Piers sorry to say that, but that was a Kid answer. Piers sorry to say that, but that was a Kid answer.

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By: Piers http://2point8.whileseated.org/2005/09/26/ways-of-working-6-masking/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Piers Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:30:52 +0000 http://2point8.whileseated.org/?p=12#comment-14 SinRastro: you seem to be more interested in tits than photography. SinRastro: you seem to be more interested in tits than photography.

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